Hey student of the game, where the heck are you from? As it seems, we're living in the same small country

some pro out there advice resting about 48hs after a good workout.
They even have slogan something like "you gain when you rest not when you train'' ... like meaning that you break the muscles cell, meaning tearing them apart(microscopically) so they're not growing when you're training, but they grow,recover and make itself thicker(not multiply themselves ! )when you're resting.
So, don worry about comparing yourselves with the 'big' guys, in the end,they're probably in a level where the whole physiology in their body acting differently from someone in their first year.
Wanna be bigger, stronger in future? so be calm, patient and committed now, and most important!!
don't be a too crazy bitch and hurt yourselves, in the future, when you get to my fucking age lol you'll see that's nothing funny being unable to work out hard anymore just because was crazy fool!! .... like i was... i gotta say, it doesn't pay the price now!

be committed , but be clever.
(now i'll irritated you all)my mum used to say''when you don't use your brain, your body will pay''

Good luck!!!

Student_of_the_game wrote:I lift weights at what I would call medium intensity. In maybe 6 months I gained nothing. No mass, no power. Plus I often needed 1-2 days of recovering for my pectoralis. I'm going to visit some specialists because of that but I'm also thinking about stopping and focusing on combat sport only.

I noticed no difference in recovering between 24h (evening to evening, weights to Boxing) and 36h (morning to evening, also weights to Boxing).

Hey buddy,
sounds sad, but what's exactly your body type? are you skinny by default? are you athletic or big large man???
All these have a big weight in the way your body will function under exercising.

1. I live near Baden AG and study in Zurich.

2. My question was more like: Is muscular recovery better when sleeping?

3. I'm 174 cm, ca. 70 kg and I would describe myself as endomorph, but I'm not fat due to a healthy lifestyle.

Ah nice, I'm from Biel/Bienne in Bern. Are you studying at the ETH? Where do you train?

Yes, sleep has a HUGE impact on your muscle recovery after workout...so, with less sleep your muscles will develop and grow less.

You should sleep at least 8h a night, that's the ideal amount of hours. But, accumulating hours doesnt have a positive effects.

i.e: Sleeping 4 hours on friday and then sleepin 12 hours on saturday means nothing, even though you slept 16 hours in two days

Student_of_the_game wrote:I lift weights at what I would call medium intensity. In maybe 6 months I gained nothing. No mass, no power. Plus I often needed 1-2 days of recovering for my pectoralis. I'm going to visit some specialists because of that but I'm also thinking about stopping and focusing on combat sport only.

I noticed no difference in recovering between 24h (evening to evening, weights to Boxing) and 36h (morning to evening, also weights to Boxing).

1 to 2 days is a short period of recovery, not long. You shouldn't train your chest more than once or twice a week in my opinion. Even after the soreness goes away, your muscles haven't fully recovered yet. Overworking them is probably a big part of why you made no gains.

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Student_of_the_game wrote:I lift weights at what I would call medium intensity. In maybe 6 months I gained nothing. No mass, no power. Plus I often needed 1-2 days of recovering for my pectoralis. I'm going to visit some specialists because of that but I'm also thinking about stopping and focusing on combat sport only.

I noticed no difference in recovering between 24h (evening to evening, weights to Boxing) and 36h (morning to evening, also weights to Boxing).

1 to 2 days is a short period of recovery, not long. You shouldn't train your chest more than once or twice a week in my opinion. Even after the soreness goes away, your muscles haven't fully recovered yet. Overworking them is probably a big part of why you made no gains.

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Student_of_the_game wrote:1. I live near Baden AG and study in Zurich.

2. My question was more like: Is muscular recovery better when sleeping?

3. I'm 174 cm, ca. 70 kg and I would describe myself as endomorph, but I'm not fat due to a healthy lifestyle.

wow, endomorph at this weight?? so you're doing great in terms of being leaner than being overweight.
Do you follow simple recipes like: start train with large muscles, then the smaller? (bench press, then triceps)
or back, and then biceps?
Do you after a good training session, wait 2/3days to recover?
U supposed to be strong in this kind of body, so work out your pecs with the typical: 8-12 reps x4(the first one is warm up)
don't do more than 12.
Work out your back too, with similar routine, and if you can, do a good heavy work see how you can fit these twice a week then going to 3 times per week when you get stronger.
hehe, of course im not a doc!! the thing is, i know some lods of dudes, friends of mine and myself,working out with simple recipes like this and getting results.
or.... describe your routine in the gym, then we all here could advice.
don't forget you need keep getting some protein too.

I study mechanical engineering at ETH,train Boxing in Gebenstorf and I'm about to join the Frota Team for BJJ.
I'm also considering to join the Fight Club Zurich (MT+MMA) instead ob Boxing+BJJ. However, I guess Boxing+BJJ will be my way.
I have problems with some joints and will visit a specialized doctor soon. I think lowkicks and a lot of takedowns could be a little too much for my knees at the moment.

@ my weight
I'm not an endomorph with very little fat, sadly I'm rather an endomorph with thin arms.

I'm pretty sure I'm very endomorph. I have comparatively strong legs and hips, "soft" muscles, dense but thin hair, a round face, ...

@ my training routine
At the moment I train hypertrophy and Boxing each 2 times a week with additional stretching and cardio now and then.
I have posted my old and my new weights plan.

so let's say you're royce gracie?
royce is for years working out, and although he never got really heavy weight, he should present bit more of volume in his physique!

Bro, i had similar routine and couldn't sleep before midnight... but happily that time i could get up quart to eight, so was ok, and visiting the gym for pumping some iron brought extra size.

If you want to get bigger,you would have to make a test like leaving any hight cardio that burns too much fat, and work out some weights for hypertrophy.

Still bro, don't worry about you're not sleeping that much, what i mean, don't get mad,because i have some military friends whom after years living in jungles and shit,they have problems with sleeping too, but they're huge! and the funny thing is, they actually don't eat as much as the dudes in the gym.... everyone is everyone, impossible to compare.

i got health class in school and we were just talking about this.

teens like me (15 years old) need like 9 hours 15 minutes of sleep. Adults need like 8 hours. Lack of sleep can cause depression, lead to heart disease when you grow up, and many more.

I only get like 7 so that's not good. 5 to 6 hours is really bad.

if you guys workout you tend to fall asleep faster and stay asleep more than the people that don't workout and it's pretty true to me. I can sleep to like 13 hours.

I strength train different muscle groups every 3 days.

Day 1 lower body
Day 2 core
Day 3 upper body

And I train cardio almost every day...but only for 20 minutes shots using one of the machines at the YMCA....

It works pretty good for me...Im 92kgs with almost a six pack.

If I focused on diet more I could cut down to 88kgs but thats not how i want to live my life.

Probably you want to tell me something about recovering, I just can't see it...

What an awesome topic. Sleep is important for physical, cognitive, and immunological health. Your body does repair work while you sleep, which means muscles repair (which is, I believe, technically where the growth occurs), memory consolidation (from fairly-short-term memory to long-term memory), and a drop in cortisol (the stress hormone) and an increase in t-cells.


Sleep is fucking awesome. If you train hard, you should sleep hard.