Why has Brock immediately got another shot at Mir? wasn't his last fight his loss to Mir?

yosemite sam wrote:Why has Brock immediately got another shot at Mir? wasn't his last fight his loss to Mir?

brock doesnt have a shot at mir, its the other way around. if mir was the true champ right now lesnar would have to wait for a long time for his chance for the rematch. but doent it create some excitement to see lesnar mir so soon. i cant wait how bout you.

cloudywaters wrote:

yosemite sam wrote:Why has Brock immediately got another shot at Mir? wasn't his last fight his loss to Mir?

brock doesnt have a shot at mir, its the other way around. if mir was the true champ right now lesnar would have to wait for a long time for his chance for the rematch. but doent it create some excitement to see lesnar mir so soon. i cant wait how bout you.

I wasnst bitchin, it was a genuine question pal. but yeah always good to see someone as big as Brock in MMA, refreshing that he does have a little talent as opposed to Man Choi, Thompson and Saap, but lets be real-his size is his main attribute do you not think? I must disagree as Mir is the true champ as he whooped Nog (who i thought would beat Mir) along with being seeded No.3 and Brock No.9... i take it you dont rally rate Mir?

I really respect him, i think he looked untouchable before the leg break plus fairplay to him comin back from that, strong willed that is, didnt he snap his thigh bone!!? some people dont walk for bout 2-3 years after that kinda injury let alone fight Arlovski at the top of his game!

yosemite sam wrote:

cloudywaters wrote:

yosemite sam wrote:Why has Brock immediately got another shot at Mir? wasn't his last fight his loss to Mir?

brock doesnt have a shot at mir, its the other way around. if mir was the true champ right now lesnar would have to wait for a long time for his chance for the rematch. but doent it create some excitement to see lesnar mir so soon. i cant wait how bout you.

I wasnst bitchin, it was a genuine question pal. but yeah always good to see someone as big as Brock in MMA, refreshing that he does have a little talent as opposed to Man Choi, Thompson and Saap, but lets be real-his size is his main attribute do you not think? I must disagree as Mir is the true champ as he whooped Nog (who i thought would beat Mir) along with being seeded No.3 and Brock No.9... i take it you dont rally rate Mir?

I really respect him, i think he looked untouchable before the leg break plus fairplay to him comin back from that, strong willed that is, didnt he snap his thigh bone!!? some people dont walk for bout 2-3 years after that kinda injury let alone fight Arlovski at the top of his game!

i wasnt accusing you of bitchin man.i was tryin to anserw a question. anyways i think right now as it stands mir has to best talent in the UFC heavyweight div.im just hyped for the fight.but brocks size is gonna be the biggest factor of the fight.whether he uses it to roll over mir or whether mir uses it to gas the meathead out is the probably the biggest factor. i like both guys.

i got a question though.why do people even thread if everybody is a cock to each other or thinks someone is being a cock?does noone respect constructive criticism? believeme, it was bullshit to allow a 2-1 fighter a chance for the title. what can we do?
no disrespect AT ALL.

cloudywaters wrote:I wasnt accusing you of bitchin man.i was tryin to anserw a question. anyways i think right now as it stands mir has to best talent in the UFC heavyweight div.im just hyped for the fight.but brocks size is gonna be the biggest factor of the fight.whether he uses it to roll over mir or whether mir uses it to gas the meathead out is the probably the biggest factor. i like both guys.

i got a question though.why do people even thread if everybody is a cock to each other or thinks someone is being a cock?does noone respect constructive criticism? believeme, it was bullshit to allow a 2-1 fighter a chance for the title. what can we do?
no disrespect AT ALL"

I know! i dunno mate, i would like to see Brock face Cane or even kimbo before he fights Mir again-hoping Mir wins this one of coarse!!

I agree with what your sayin bout forums aswell, i think cos most people on such a forum are abit defensive and opinionated so it can always blow up but i see what your sayin people like the peoples favourite Stabone are the lowest of the low, attacking peoples nationality just to get reactions, absolute pussy boy obviously-Bisping seems mature compared to fools like that!

But i must say, i really think people get abit to carried away with fighters attitudes as thats not what they get paid for, wee should just see what they do in the ring and analyse that with more passion. Diaz and Penn for instance seem a right dick heads but they both are brilliant fighters and should always be remembered as they are so unique which i think they should get more respect for.

hahaha... let them be... You need to Understand that these guys are gonna hate Lesnar regardless! theyve been there since the debut of Lesnar, even the couture fight saying Lesnar is a noob couture will outsmart him like what he did to Gonzaga and all... WAKE UP! Get that out of your head that fantasy world where these Frank Mir Ball Lickers aint hatin on Lesnar. I bet Brock Lesnar is very greatful to have these guys hate'n on him HE NEEDS HATERS! hahaha... so wat the fuck is you complaining about? what the fuck do you think a haters job is? TO FUCKING HATE! so let them hate! let them mudafucking haters do there goddam jobs! youll be laughing at them at the end.


Like my boy said!!!! If you have 14 people hate'n on you, you need to figure out a way to get to 100... be better than them make them eat there words! like what Lesnar did to these Couture Fans now they hate him more and now there Licking Mirs Balls hahaha...

They cant accept the fact that Lesnar won over Couture and got a UFC Belt.

I saw someone posted that Mir should be the rightful Champion for defeating Noguera well i dare say that niether FRANK MIR nor NOGUERA cant defeat RANDY COUTURE.

Oh and for the guy who posted that Lesnar wasnt hurting mir with those fast Hammerfist in the face? dude if you havent notice, Lesnar has a 5xl Gloves like ShaneCarwin and Mir has Blood all over his face. Dont be an idiot please? it did hurt hahaha...

just to clear everythng up about Mir vs Lesnar 1, Mir didnt won over lesnar because he got lucky... its like saying Fedor got lucky over AA.

i tell you that Lesnar is very talented, hes a quick learner and very hardworking very serious in training i can compare his attitude when it comes to training as Manny Paquiao and his eagerness to learn all about MMA and his very passionate about it. like GSP he always wants to upgrade. everytime you see GSP he's in another level... your a DUMBASS if you dont see Lesnar becoming a better fighter in his fights, Evolving.




will lesnar study jiujitsu's form of offense? NO, he's not stupid! all he needs to master is the jiujitsu defenses. he already has Wrestling(world class NCAA wrestling), ground n pound, improving standup, and CONTROL patience like what he showed in the herring fight. he has speed, strength, heart. stamina is questionable but who knows? he might have a new gas tank now because he was exposed in the couture fight.

he's HATERS went to the roof because of the stunt that he did in the herring fight riding on the Texas Crazy Horse herring like a rodeo and being disrespectful. Lesnar is a good guy, the only reason he did that is because herring said alot of disrespectful things to him and i mean ALOT! if your a true MMA fan you should know that.

compare to The "Plummer" Guida's Trash Talk to Bobby Lashley. Herring has said worst things.

on the things he said about fedor, he doesnt disrespect fedor HE RESPECTS HIM ALOT. Lesnar said somethings about fedor because of those stupid interviewer on the press conference of UFC 91 couture vs lesnar asking about couture about a possible couture vs fedor over and over? ?.. you expect lesnar to say nothing? its like the people there are assuming that lesnar has already lost. the talk should be about lesnar and couture not some guy from another MMA show. (im not hate'n on fedor he's good he's the #1 HW right now but the point is he's not from the UFC)


its ok to hate! so keep hate'n Lesnar guys! you'll be eating your words JULY 11 2009 and ill be



1st round lesnar and mir stand up fight for a few second mir catches one and gets takin down by lesnar.. lesnar will dominate the 1st round via ground control, 2nd round TKO mir goes down and lesnars goes DONKEY KONG!


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GO HATE ON LESNAR!
if you wanna hate on me? Feel free to hate on me! post your comment say that im wrong... when you know im right bitch!

wthr you like it or not! LESNARis the UFC HW CHAMPION! the next Matt Hughes of the HEAVYWEIGHT only Stronger, Bigger, Faster and way more Athletic.

right on the butt dude

they hate lesnar coz they cant believe the "unexperienced" beat the hell out of their ICONS! lolz.

experience HELP you win...but doesnt actually MAKE you win...

After july 11... Lesnar would still be the champ... and haters will think about another way to hate him... hahaha
Cant see this fight goin to a decission...
It's either brock knocks out mir with a strong punch or the ref stops the fight coz lesnar is hammering the face of loudmouth mir

Mir K.Oed nog...I think it'll be a faster and brutal K.O if brock faced nog instead of mir.

man, I really wish people could distinguish the difference between liking an individual fighter, and acknowledging the skill of a fighter.

look, do I love Lesnar, no not really, but he has vastly improved and he seems dedicated. so why are people being douchebags and saying the guy is talentless or doesn't deserve the title or whatever. How about we evaluate his performance in the ring and forget about all the personal garbage for once? In a short time he went from the amateurish performance against Mir, to beating up Herring, and then controlling Couture (who I like and respect very much). Give the guy some credit for getting in the ring against talented, experienced opponents and not getting killed. The time between the Mir fight and the Couture fight was only 9 1/2 months.

Now I actually do dislike Frank Mir, I think he's a conceited jerkoff. But the guy has an amazing ground game, and as we saw in the Nogueira fight, his standup is greatly improved. He's also a very smart fighter. He knew that Nogueira is a tricky bastard on the ground, so he stood up and pounded away, especially those uppercuts.

So, I would like to see an ever-improving Lesnar win over Mir, but I recognize that Mir is a very good fighter and could win - either by submission or TKO. It should be a good fight.

please stop with all the nonsense and childish bickering - sometimes I feel like I'm in a schoolyard with 10 year olds talking about which superhero could kick the other superheros ass. I thought we wanted to distance MMA from the fake world of WWE wrestling and their cast of cartoon characters.

I used to like mir but then lost my respect on him, started to like him less and less when he showed his true attitude in TUF


I understand the part about mir having to be a bit arrogant as well as confident. Im a fan of Muhammad Ali, Floyd Mayweather and Quinton Jackson etc, and I think its fair to say they have that combination. However, I think Mir has stepped over the line to 'too much arrogance'. He really does seem to wanna marry himself, I could honestly see him spending most of the day looking at himself in the mirror and thinking about how much of a stud he is.




Sun Tsu: "If your opponent is angry, irritate him" Certainly, Mir was trying to use this technique on Brock Lesnar when he pointed to him and said "You have MY belt!". Mir hopes to get Lesnar to

a) Storm into the fight and make one or more serious mistakes (and get caught in a submission again)

- Armbar and Triangle wont work
- Leg lock obviously wont work anymore Lesnar is Big but not stupid

the only way Mir gets a submission win is via Guillotine Choke!
MARK MY WORDS IF MIR WINS ITS GONNA BE A GUILLOTINE CHOKE but that is a BIG "IF"


b) Get him to expend more energy than normal and then beat him in later rounds.

Will Lesnar fall for this? We will have to wait and see. But he is hyperbollically hot tempered, and of course this might work out perfectly. The problem is that Lesnar is not the average enemy in battle, he is a M2A2 BRADLEY fighting vehicle with a supercharged hemi dragster engine under the hood. One mistake by Mir will be all that Lesnar needs, while Lesnar can make a few himself and recover (unless he gets subbed, of course).


ill still stick to what i believe in:

1st round: lesnar and mir stand up fight for a few seconds then mir catches a few jabs and gets takin down by lesnar.. lesnar will dominate the 1st round via ground control knee's to the body, punches to the mid section and head. (still dunno if he has developed his elbows and start throwing some) if he does its gonna make me

2nd round: stand up fight Lesnar throws multiple jabs again Knocks mir down Lesnar Jumps in and goes DONKEY KONG on mir!

REFEREE STOPPAGE OR TKO!







Lesnar -> <- Frank Mir

Mir got his ass kicked first fight. He got lucky with that submission. However, with that said, Mir's striking and Lesnar's submission defense must have improved since then. Lesnar has an advantage standing up and Mir has an advantage on the ground. Lesnar's gonna knock Mir down and Mir will work that guard for a submission. Mir by Submission.

I expect Brock Lesnar to win against Mir and i expected him to win against Herring and Couture, but i don't like him. Brock's the UFC heavyweight champ due to having a big size advantage over all his good opponents and the UFC having too few superheavyweights to have a superheavyweight division. And i find that retarded. I've read that during the Couture fight, he outweighed Couture by 60 pounds. Brock Lesnar is to the heavyweight division what Carano and Cyborg are to woman's MMA- fighters with a limited skill set pounding on smaller opponents in a weak division. I'm rooting for Mir because i prefer a champ that has some technical skills.

I am rooting for Mir, although Lesnar may have improved enough to caveman him.

I really dont like Lesnar being the champ but smart move by UFC.

Father in law was a dedicated WWE (fucking lame I know but Portland was known for pro-wrestling for decades) he would never watch MMA.

He is actually considering buying the PPV, lesnar converted him and I got him watching Spike evry night and taking about guard GnP ect. now and he def isnt going back to WWE now.

So I cant stand hes teh ch4mpz0r but I am all for bringing WWE fans to the light.

I think the statement Mir got lucky is asinine though cmon Mir caght Lesnar, his BJJ is real decent and Lesnar simply needed to elevate his game genetic freak or not, dont call it luck though that was smart not luck.

I really don't like Mir or Brock. Everyone knows this fights going to end in two ways, by Brock knocking the piss out of Mir or Mir making Brock tap like a baby. Brock has a big mouth though and even though I'm hoping he doesn't take this one I dont know if Mir can outlast a entire round from a 265 pound freight train.

The only thing brock has going for him is his size. He might know how to wrestle but that wont be enough against a technical fighter. I also question brocks conditioning he might end up gassing out and mir will capitalize. Mir should submit him by the second round.