To clear this up, there has been 3 deaths in MMA.

Douglas Dedge, Sammy Vasquez and someone else I am unable to find.

But seriously, why do people have to die before you will accept that some things need to be controlled?

the reason there have been only 3 deaths is that the rules are there to stop them. If fights aren't stopped when someone is knocked out, and the fight is allowed to continue, then that number will definitely rise very quickly.

Do a little research into brain trauma, and then quit your fucking bitching about fights being stopped when someone is knocked out.

Fuck, these guys are professional athletes, they shouldn't have to be put in situations where they can be seriously injured just for your satisfaction. Sure, they are fighters and the risks are high, but why should the risks be even higher than necessary?

you're a moron... pure and simple.

frank mir is the man... he is the only 1 that won out of my 3 picks. and i thought he had the least amount of chance based on NOG's ability to take a punch. but NOG's go fucked up by that uppercut. Phil Baroni has improved Mirs hand alot for this fight. Mir is back and will take Brock the cock lesner out..

Mir deserve the victory. was much better that nog

IN MY OPINION the ref could leave the fight continue a bit more... nog already have fights like this and after bad injured he still win by submission.

but all right, i understand the decision of the referee. protect the fighter. ok

lostinsanity wrote:To clear this up, there has been 3 deaths in MMA.

Douglas Dedge, Sammy Vasquez and someone else I am unable to find.

But seriously, why do people have to die before you will accept that some things need to be controlled?

the reason there have been only 3 deaths is that the rules are there to stop them. If fights aren't stopped when someone is knocked out, and the fight is allowed to continue, then that number will definitely rise very quickly.

Do a little research into brain trauma, and then quit your fucking bitching about fights being stopped when someone is knocked out.

Fuck, these guys are professional athletes, they shouldn't have to be put in situations where they can be seriously injured just for your satisfaction. Sure, they are fighters and the risks are high, but why should the risks be even higher than necessary?

you're a moron... pure and simple.

Haha, thats the best you could come up with? Ok loser, lets take a look at your pathetic claims...

3 fighters killed in MMA... that IS terrible but there have been many more deaths in Football and many other sports, and lets take a look closer at these MMA deaths...

Douglas Dedge-
Direct cut and pastes from Wikipedia about his death-

"There are "unconfirmed reports" that Dedge had a pre-existing medical condition and was not medically cleared to fight in the U.S. or Japan.

"He competed in one-off MMA and Toughman competitions around the southern United States until he developed a severe concussion and possibly cracked skull that led to numerous doctors telling him to take upwards of a year off from combat sports.[citation needed] Since Dedge fought as a career, he did not listen to medical advice. Friends later said he did not believe his head injury to be as serious as it was."

"Friends later admitted they witnessed Dedge repeatedly black out during training for the fight, yet could not talk him out of fighting."

"During Dedge’s fight, he was mounted by Zolotarev and repeatedly hammered with punches, though he was reportedly still "defending himself well". The fight lasted less than five minutes before referee stoppage."

Seriously lost, do you even look in to your sources before you post this dumb shit? He obviously died because he did not listen to medical advice, and was not fit to fight, not because he was beaten senseless when the fight should have been stopped. Man, you are fucking clueless.

Sammy Vasquez
Direct cut and paste from wikipedia-

"On October 20 Vasquez faced Vince Libardi in a Renegades Extreme Fighting bout in Houston. In the third round the fight ended by technical knockout. He lost consciousness shortly thereafter and was taken to Saint Joseph Medical Center’s Critical Care Unit. It was reported that Sammy had a pre-existing blood clot and underwent surgery to remove it. Vasquez then suffered another blood clot; fluid entered his brain and he had a stroke and slipped into a coma for 42 days until he died.

Hmm, sounds like another pre-existing medical condition to me....

Seriously lost, research your topic before posting here if you're going to post something like that, because you are making yourself look like exactly the fucking idiot that you are.


P.S. Find that other name for me, dimwit. I'd like to look it up as well.

MMA_Addicted wrote:

lostinsanity wrote:Seriously lost, research your topic before posting here if you're going to post something like that, because you are making yourself look like exactly the fucking idiot that you are.

P.S. Find that other name for me, dimwit. I'd like to look it up as well.

Thats to much to ask from him Pal... Hes a big asshole and a retard no way he could think a littlel before he writes... well sometimes he do but no very often

Mir looked excellent in this fight!.Great punshing combinations,confident as hell and just looked very fresh.Perfect fight from Mir and a well deserved win

i have heard of dedge and vasquez, but who was the third guy?

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MMA_Addicted wrote:Nah, just let it go to the finish. I've seen him hurt just as bad before and recover. I'm not saying he would have won, he was getting his ass handed to him. But good stoppage? Come on, even Joe Rogan saw that it was a crap stoppage at the time. What is wrong with just letting him get knocked out? Nothing wrong with just waiting until his hands go limp, other refs do it all the time. AGAIN!... to reiterate, for those slow on the uptake here... I am not saying he would have won... I just didn't like the stop. Dean sucks, and I've seen way too many early stops from him. Just let it end like it is supposed to. Absolutely nothing wrong with it, not like Nog was gonna die from a few more punches.

He WAS limp, his arms couldn't even lift high enough to defend himself, he just got pounded out and didn't intelligently defend himself at all. The UFC has rules, if you're not defending yourself it's over, doesn't matter if you're known for pulling off the comeback submission or whatever, if you're not blocking or swinging back the Ref is going to stop it because those are the rules and they are in place for fighter's safety. Nog could have died from a few more punches, he wasn't defending and was getting his face beaten in and the back of his head was no doubt bouncing off of the mat, he could have gotten seriously injured if the ref hadn't called it.

If you want mindless and brutal violence, go watch some old Pride tapes or early UFC tapes where the rules weren't as strict or protective of the fighters, when fighters got heel kicks to the face on the ground. In the meantime, I'll enjoy watching MMA, not gladiators to the death like you apparently want to see.

ROFL he could have died from a few more punches.... Quit being a pussy, we are watching mixed martial arts. This isn't a tickling contest. Yeah, I love the old pride videos and I have plenty of them. Maybe it's you who should go back to them and watch a bit... and then tell me which of those fighters died in the ring. Please, you cant back up any of the shit you just said, you obviously dont know what you are talking about.

I can back every word of my post.

If you beat someones head against a hard surface like a floor for instance, they will eventually die if the attacker is not pulled off. If they don't die then they'll probably have brain damage, hence THE RULES that say if fighter is not intelligently defending himself (Example: Nog getting his face pounded in without fighting back or blocking) the fight is stopped.

I never claimed any fighters had died in the ring, but if fighters fought like they did in Pride and early UFC still then there's a possibility it could happen. I don't want to see brutality and neither does a REAL mixed martial artist/mma fan. I want to see a legitimate combat sport, not a fight to the death, or a brutal beat down on someone who's already lost. They are martial artists, not street thugs.

It was a good call, Nog was done, your claims are ridiculous. If the ref had let it keep going Nog could have been seriously injured. That's all there is to it. If we had it your way Rampage could have beaten on Wanderlei for another two rounds while he was unconscious.

Get real and learn the rules and accept them.

I think that's a good example of the two different types of knockouts...a flash knock out vs being knocked-out cold. No one is arguing the Wanderlei fight, he was clearly knocked out...Jackson timed Wany's left/right hook onslaught he's known for and when he blocked the first two hooks he knew his counter hook would be at the perfect distance to connect with Wanderlei. Clear, Clean, Cold Knock-out.

The Nog fight was a little different...Nog has made a career out of making come backs from being nearly knocked out. I've seen him beaten up alot worse and pull out the W. Nog was definitely rocked but not out, true he stumbled when he got up but I've seen people stumble from getting punched on the feet...no ref calls that a knock out, besides he didn't need to stand until the fight was stopped....you don't need your cerebellum working to lay on your back. I would think the reason Herb called it was the positioning of Nog's arms. Nog arms didn't look limp to me at all, he seemed to be trying to retain guard...when people get hurt they go back to their roots; Punch a wrestler and he will try to take you down, Hit a Jits guy, he'll go back to Jits.

Like the other guy said, I'm not sure it would have made a difference, Mir was on point like never before, and Nog didn't look to be able to get anything more than a jab going.

I am certainly glad we pay those useless referees to stop our entertainment right when it is getting good! Man give it a rest already! I was hoping Mir would win, but I thought Nogueria(sp) might have had the better chance of winning. When it is all said and done the trained professional referee did his job. It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks! Game over move on

lostinsanity wrote:complete fucking domination... I love it

I just want to know where the idiots are who said that there is "no way Mir can win"

Right here, figuring out how Mir could've laced his gloves with blinding powder that would allow him to beat Nog when Fedor couldn't.


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stoppage seemed a little early, but hes the professional I guess.

abjure wrote:stoppage seemed a little early, but hes the professional I guess.

I disagree with you on this.The stoppage was right and on right time!.You could se that nog started to get out of it and wasnt able to protect himself from the blows.

gr8white wrote:It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks! Game over move on

Well then. Guess there isn't anything to discuss on this forum, is there? Shit happens, move on? Nah, we're here to discuss what happened man, and sometimes piss and moan about it too, lol. That is what forums are all about

thought mir had no chances, but yeah, he looked way better than ever and nog way worst.

the stoppage was ok, a few seconds could have been many elbows raining over an almost ko'd man, who was not defending himself. By the way nog didn't even mention the stoppage issue...