Joshua Montminy wrote:I think Lesnar is the advanced version of Tank Abbott anyone agree?

Yeah, I can see what you are saying.

It would be nice to have a UFC HW champ who would at least attempt a submission, rather than "just" G&P. While from a practical standpoint if "just" devastating G&P wins, then whatever it takes; but out of principle in 2009 I think the sport would benefit more when the champ in each UFC weight category is a multidiscipline fighter (punch & kick & knee & elbow striker + at least very good wresting skills + excellent ground submissions).

I guess I would have thought even more of Brock had he at least attempted a Kimura or Americana, especially in the 2nd round when Frank was hurting; or even attempted to escape half-guard to get into side control.

Even if he didn't sub Frank with a Kimura or Americana, the attempt alone would show an even greater evolution of his game.

GSP has it all, that that is why I regard GSP as more of a "true champion" than Brock right now.

I don't understand how all of you people dissing Brock can say he displayed no technique or poor "MMA" technique and all of that shit. Frank Mir is a former heavyweight Champion, and he's fought some of the best fighters in UFC history and won. None of you can say Frank Mir sucks, yet, he was manhandled by Lesnar. Sure, it was alot of "forceful" technique, but remember, Lesnar was a collegiate wrestling champ with a record of 106-5 after four years of competing in college. Wrestlers use force amplified by leverage, that's the same basic principle as ju-jutsu and BJJ, it's just not as pretty. I didn't find the fight to be boring at all, you just have to be looking for the techniques at hand, and think about position and tactics when talking about Lesnar's strategy.

All in all, this was an awesome fight, a bad ass beat down, and Lesnar's the fuckin man.

Fedor vs Lesnar, PLEASE!!!!!!

Thought that would catch your attention! He's improved a lot, but he just makes me nauseous after the fight! Dana should fine him half his purse - he' s way too overpaid. I think within the UFC fighters will get together to find somebody to send him packing back to Lesnarnia! I want Fedor to kick his ass all over Prussia!

I cant stop watching this fight!!! I just keep seeing Mir´s nutsuckers crying and bitching about their "come july 11, the best HW in the world"

BLAH!


Im not THAAAT Brock fan, neither a Mir hater, but all those fagtards hanging on Frank´s testicles really made me go against him... gotta say i enjoyed the whooping

i still remember brocks first mma fight and most the posters here were like 'lol wwe wrestler' , 'hes gonne get smashed', ect ect.

i always said he was a monster of a man and just needed training, and i was right.



that being said, i think he might be a huge man with a lot of natural talent, but hes a douschebag as a person.

being a great fighter doesnt equal being a great person, and he proves that.

he cant stop being a wwe loudmouth freak, and he acts like a total dousche whos never had to sacrifice or lose in their life.

he reminds me of an over-grown child as a person, hes definately not a mature man.

hawkeyes83 wrote:I don't understand how all of you people dissing Brock can say he displayed no technique or poor "MMA" technique and all of that shit. Frank Mir is a former heavyweight Champion, and he's fought some of the best fighters in UFC history and won. None of you can say Frank Mir sucks, yet, he was manhandled by Lesnar. Sure, it was alot of "forceful" technique, but remember, Lesnar was a collegiate wrestling champ with a record of 106-5 after four years of competing in college. Wrestlers use force amplified by leverage, that's the same basic principle as ju-jutsu and BJJ, it's just not as pretty. I didn't find the fight to be boring at all, you just have to be looking for the techniques at hand, and think about position and tactics when talking about Lesnar's strategy.

All in all, this was an awesome fight, a bad ass beat down, and Lesnar's the fuckin man.

Fedor vs Lesnar, PLEASE!!!!!!

I agree with you that Mir's game plan (? did he have one) sucked, and he was ill-prepared.

Of course Brock was going to be on top (you could probably have guessed in half-guard), and of course Brock would be VERY tough to sweep. So.... Mir should have placed priority on the half-guard to full/open guard conversion sequence. Instead, Mir locked Brock down in half-guard, and this just gave Brock the chance to tee-off on him.

Brock, on the other hand, executed his game plan to perfection, and was much better prepared. But... out of principle, I would still like the UFC HW champ to at least have the skill to attempt a submission when in a dominant superior position on the ground (especially when his opponent is gassed and punked to shit).

I liked both fighters, but cheered for Lesnar. I'm not entirely sure why.

I am not a big fan of trash-talking or being a jerk or "heel" to sell the next fight. The UFC has to be better than the promotion style of professional boxing or pro wrestling. MMA still has a huge mountain to climb to overcome its thuggish image, and Brock Lesnar's unsportsmanlike conduct does nothing to improve the image of the sport.

That said, I think we all know Brock's antics were probably all staged to sell the Lesnar-Mir rubber match...

Man i am tired of reading, about ppl putting Brock down about his sportsmanship etc etc. This dude was being put down from day one.
And has been making pp eat their words. Mir got what he asked for.
He kept poking at Lesnar..(poke the bear)...Talking shit all the time leading up to the fight...is that bad sportsmanship? These guy's put their lives on the line. And after all the shit talking and prolly Brock's biggest fight..you expect him to hug like the other homo's after a fight. This is cage fighting.

Lesnar has basically no MMA skills. It's like watching UFC 2 or something. The day he attempts a sub, or attempts anything else besides get on top of a guy and use his 40+lb weight advantage then I'll start respecting him. I mean he entirely defeats the point of heavyweights, which is that they DO NO CUT WEIGHT.

Then his stunt about "I'm gonna drink COORS, cuz bud won't pay me" is RIDICULOUS hence his apology in the post fight press conference. I mean he had nothing to say except that he was sorry for acting like a pro wrestler. Look at EVERY SINGLE OTHER FIGHTER, they ALWAYS thank the crowds for giving them their paycheck and this guy wants to flip the crowd off, diss the UFC sponsors and tlak about taking a horse shoe out of some one's ass and beating them with it?

Lesnar brings all the hate on himself, probably because it sells tickets and like he said he came from a "purely entertainment industry" and he's "used to selling pay per view tickets".

Brock isn't irredeemable to me, he just needs to get some real MMA skills and stop acting like a fool.

Anyone that thinks that Lesnar would be able to beat Mir, Couture, Noguiera, etc if they weighed 285 going into the fight is a damn fool.
I still think he's going to be champ practically forever or until he slips up and lets someone sub him, or get a lucky KO. Otherwise every fight is going to be him eventually taking the dood down, and getting on top, and then the guy on the bottom is going to look like Mir where he couldn't even really move.

As for Mir, he's a very skilled fighter but he never stood a chance Let him go fight people in his own weight class (+/- 20lbs) and I think he'll keep winning.

its really funny how you guys hate brock coz of what he've done... which was done also by rampage after beating liddell... fanz booed him coz its mirs hometurf and after mirs trashtalkin and enumerating ways on how he'll beat brock...i think he deserve every beating that was given to him...
when mir beat tank abbot all you can hear is how good is mir defeating a big guy..now that he's defeated by a big guy it sudenly became NOT FAIR??? coz the guy is bigger than mir etc. Wtf?! get over with it...
brock is the champ... respect him or not... he is a BEAST wholl destroy most of the HW in UFC... cant wait till Dana spends all his money tryin to get Fedor to join UFC...

blablubb wrote:tainoarawak:

@First Fight: How many taps (tapouts) does Brock, before Mir stops fu***ing Brocks leg/knee? 5-6-7?

Was that what you call "horrible attitude and behavior"?

If you mean Mir was acting baldy bc of how many times Brock tapped out, then consider this: The ref should have stopped it as soon as Brock tapped but if I remember correctly, he didn't. The ref waited so Mir kept cranking. Mir does not have to let go bf the ref breaks it up bc if he does the fight goes on.

Maybe the ref didn't stop it fast enough bc at first it didn't look like a tap-out. When I first saw it, I thought Brock was spanking Mir's ass. Clowning. Then I realized he was hysterically tapping out. If I was confused maybe the ref was too at first. Why Brock chose Mir's ass instead of the floor is beyond me.

I wouldn't classify myself as brocks Number one fan but I am a fan and I think it's rediculous that poeple are up in arms about the post fight comments Brock made, Its fucking MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, People fight to bloody each other or to knock each other out..Hell even break limbs..yet your almost crying over comments he made after the fight, what kind of pussys are you? its a fight for god sakes, when you fight someone you don't have to respect them, Mir deserved every thing he got and I think there is difenently a place in MMA for brocks kind of behavoir because obviously it worked, Brock made his comments and it was ALL over the news and the internet which promotes the sport..is it on espn after GSP says how much he respects his opponent? No, cause nobody cares..Shit talking sells tickets and if you don't like it then fuck off because in case you forgot the UFC is buisness and like dana white or not..his Number one goal is to make money!

Im not a big fan of dana white either but I understand he has a buisness to run and he does what's gonna make him money not to cater to the small minority of internet fans, there are millions of casual fans who it's easier to cater to who'd rather see Brock destroy someone with GnP than a real technical submission battle, you heard it at UFC 100 fans didn't want to see a ground fight they wanted them to stand up..face it us internet MMA fans are in the minority.

Carwin is the one to take out Brock!!!

Mir looked good in the stand up he just needed to avoid the takedown.

Fedor get in the UFC now!!!!!!!!!!!

I see Nog getting manhandled by Brock unfortunately.