chrisdickens wrote:Carwin is the one to take out Brock!!!

Mir looked good in the stand up he just needed to avoid the takedown.

Fedor get in the UFC now!!!!!!!!!!!

I see Nog getting manhandled by Brock unfortunately.

Mir looked good in the stand up? are you kidding? He nailed maybe 1 decent shot that sort of rocked lesnar and it's kinda hard to avoid the takedown of a 280lbs man, I really don't see carwin doing any better than Mir, I think Mir is much better than carwin. I think if we see carwin vs Lesnar it would most likely end by TKO in the first round, maybe in a few years carwin can get to that level but I don't think carwin vs lesnar would draw alot of money thats why dana wants fedor, he is running out of competition for lesnar..as for nog, He ain't getting near brock, my guess is couture is gonna beat nog easily. Couture vs lesnar again would be a decent fight given there both wrestlers and with the evolution of brocks fighting skills we could see a decent fight between the two grappling wise..I think the scariest thing about brock is he is learning so rapidly and improving so fast, like he said he is a sore loser. I hope fedor does come to the UFC because even if brock lost to fedor, you know he'd want another match with him. I really think brock could give fedor a run for his money, maybe even beat him..im sure if he did though everyone would find an excuse..face it brock is a good fighter and is here to stay love em or hate em..

Fedor said he wont join UFC because the majority of fighter is American and fights are mostly in the USA. He wants to fight all over the world and fighters from all over the world. As long as Dana White doesnt change that, Fedor will not face anybody in the octagon ...

Hayabusasdf wrote:Fedor said he wont join UFC because the majority of fighter is American and fights are mostly in the USA. He wants to fight all over the world and fighters from all over the world. As long as Dana White doesnt change that, Fedor will not face anybody in the octagon ...

That's bullshit, Fedors last two fights were both in anahiem,california. I like fedor but he is playing bullshit games with the UFC and trying to negotiate a diffrent contract than anyone else is getting, I could understand why dana refuses to bend the rules for him. Don't get my wrong fedor is a great fighter but why should he have to abide my diffrent contractual obligations than the rest of the UFC? When it comes down to it, I think the deal breaker is that if fedor signs his manager expects cross promotion in russia with his M-1 Global promotion. We all know fedor fighting in sambo probably isn't a big deal to dana, but having to give up his biggest star on occasion to fight for M-1 is, that's money that dana won't see. I think if you didn't have Fedors manager/co owner of m-1 global in the picture,fedor would have signed with the UFC already.

brock is the man. i always disliked him until now. very impressive. i cannot see anyone taking the belt from him any time soon, maybe fedor but have doubts about that, not that it will happen anyway. randy always does well when he is the underdog, i want a rematch! shane carwin? no way! he got lucky with gonzaga. full respect to brock, awesome post fight interview, he has my support now.

i watched the Couture v Lesnar again and to be honest couture did a way better job on the ground than Mir did in both fights against lesnar.

Why could randy get up while he was pinned down by lesnar?, and mir could not.?? Is couture stronger than Mir? or has he more technique than mir?? I also saw more opertunities for mir to hit brock more than enough in the midsection while was pinned down. Watch 2:07/ 2:44
/3:35, etc. Also at 5:46 Mir said someting to Brock while on the ground

What do you think??

Timbrado wrote:i watched the Couture v Lesnar again and to be honest couture did a way better job on the ground than Mir did in both fights against lesnar.

Why could randy get up while he was pinned down by lesnar?, and mir could not.?? Is couture stronger than Mir? or has he more technique than mir?? I also saw more opertunities for mir to hit brock more than enough in the midsection while was pinned down. Watch 2:07/ 2:44
/3:35, etc. Also at 5:46 Mir said someting to Brock while on the ground

What do you think??

it's simple, while mir is awesome at BJJ, He's not great at wrestling or grappling, I don't like mir but watching the fight I kept wondering "why isn't he trying to get out from under lesnar?" I thought maybe he was trying to set up for a submission but he couldn't with his hands tied up and with brock closing the distance between the two, Couture gave lesnar a better fight, which is why i hope he beats Big nog and we see a rematch between lesnar and couture.

I think it's not that simple because if you fight in the ufc against a big strong guy like lesnar you better know how to wrestle and grapple, and not let it depend on your standup and bjj only.

I askt myself the same question. why did't he tried to get out from under lesnar??

To be honest i would love to see Couture vs Lesnar.

maybe he just really cant get out from that position... or his game plan is to wait till lesnar make a mistake again...which didnt happen... too bad for mir
its funny to think how mir enumerate so many ways to defeat lesnar on his prefight interviews...and then get a hell of a beating on the fight night.

By the way's i thought brock didn't respect any fighter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMIkWRBJdAk

kairisatoshi wrote:maybe he just really cant get out from that position... or his game plan is to wait till lesnar make a mistake again...which didnt happen... too bad for mir
its funny to think how mir enumerate so many ways to defeat lesnar on his prefight interviews...and then get a hell of a beating on the fight night.

Mir's biggest mistake that I could see was giving lesnar his wrist, lesnar was able to control his arm, defeat his guard and strike from a position of power. I think lesnar's hand size will be a huge factor, they are big enough to wrap around anyone's wrist even with the gloves on. Anyone who has ever put on a pair of MMA style gloves understands what I mean.

no disrespect to brock he DID win the way he is best some may
see it as boring but he won in the end

no im not a fan of brock cuz he wants ufc to be wwe
all the bitching and disrespect

in my opinion mir won the stand up but couldnt dominate like
randy did in the clinch

bitch at me all u want but if randy had knockout power
i think lesnar would have lost then

i dont think mir was a good match for brock he doesnt have the
strength (from what i saw) to defend against him

as always fights can go any way from one little mistake but
if i was a betting man i would put my money on fedor anyday
if there ever was a fedor vs lesnar
in fact i may become a betting man for the day if it ever happened

It seems like alot of you guys are missing the point of MMA. It's a place to compete, to bring whatever skills you have, and test them against the best and the worst. Sure, Brock doesn't go for submissions, doesn't ever look for the guillotines or arm bars. But, that's not Brock's game. Wrestling is a respected aspect of MMA (Randy Couture, Matt Hughes, Dan Henderson, etc), as well as kick boxing. These are the tools Brock uses in his fights. Wrestling is about controlling your opponent, pinning him down. That's what led to the whole ground and pound game in the first place. I don't know why some of you are saying you'd respect brock more if he'd just go for a submission. What about Chuch Liddell? I think he only won by submission once, and that wasn't a title fight or anything. He's a striker. He was the Light Heavyweight Champ. Does he lack MMA technique?

All of this talk about Brock not having MMA technique and wanting to see him go for a submission is pretty arbitrary and goes against the concept of MMA. Win any way you can, and use whatever legal techniques work for you, that's all there is to it.

And quit cryin cuz your BJJ practitioner can't get it done against raw strength and SUPERIOR body positioning.

falconix wrote:no disrespect to brock he DID win the way he is best some may
see it as boring but he won in the end

no im not a fan of brock cuz he wants ufc to be wwe
all the bitching and disrespect

in my opinion mir won the stand up but couldnt dominate like
randy did in the clinch

bitch at me all u want but if randy had knockout power
i think lesnar would have lost then

i dont think mir was a good match for brock he doesnt have the
strength (from what i saw) to defend against him

as always fights can go any way from one little mistake but
if i was a betting man i would put my money on fedor anyday
if there ever was a fedor vs lesnar
in fact i may become a betting man for the day if it ever happened

+1 on That...

hawkeyes83 wrote:It seems like alot of you guys are missing the point of MMA. It's a place to compete, to bring whatever skills you have, and test them against the best and the worst. Sure, Brock doesn't go for submissions, doesn't ever look for the guillotines or arm bars. But, that's not Brock's game. Wrestling is a respected aspect of MMA (Randy Couture, Matt Hughes, Dan Henderson, etc), as well as kick boxing. These are the tools Brock uses in his fights. Wrestling is about controlling your opponent, pinning him down. That's what led to the whole ground and pound game in the first place. I don't know why some of you are saying you'd respect brock more if he'd just go for a submission. What about Chuch Liddell? I think he only won by submission once, and that wasn't a title fight or anything. He's a striker. He was the Light Heavyweight Champ. Does he lack MMA technique?

All of this talk about Brock not having MMA technique and wanting to see him go for a submission is pretty arbitrary and goes against the concept of MMA. Win any way you can, and use whatever legal techniques work for you, that's all there is to it.

And quit cryin cuz your BJJ practitioner can't get it done against raw strength and SUPERIOR body positioning.

It is disheartening when superior BJJ skill can not overcome freakish strength and superior body positioning. Believe me, I live it every time I roll with huge guys with a wrestling/judo background.

But ultimately I think Brock will have to expand his skill set to include at least a couple of go-to submissions (surely he could slam on a hell-of-a Kimura or Americana), otherwise a worthy opponent (ie. Fedor) will be able to read a one-dimensional opponent, and prepare for him better.