Timbrado wrote:i watched the Couture v Lesnar again and to be honest couture did a way better job on the ground than Mir did in both fights against lesnar.

Why could randy get up while he was pinned down by lesnar?, and mir could not.?? Is couture stronger than Mir? or has he more technique than mir?? I also saw more opertunities for mir to hit brock more than enough in the midsection while was pinned down. Watch 2:07/ 2:44
/3:35, etc. Also at 5:46 Mir said someting to Brock while on the ground

What do you think??

I think you make some good points. Couture is amazing for his age. Too bad it is too late in Couture's career to face a guy like Brock. A bit earlier, and he could win. He is just is too old for the ring, to use a boxing term.

Pimpreza_wrx wrote:

falconix wrote:no disrespect to brock he DID win the way he is best some may
see it as boring but he won in the end

no im not a fan of brock cuz he wants ufc to be wwe
all the bitching and disrespect

in my opinion mir won the stand up but couldnt dominate like
randy did in the clinch

bitch at me all u want but if randy had knockout power
i think lesnar would have lost then

i dont think mir was a good match for brock he doesnt have the
strength (from what i saw) to defend against him

as always fights can go any way from one little mistake but
if i was a betting man i would put my money on fedor anyday
if there ever was a fedor vs lesnar
in fact i may become a betting man for the day if it ever happened

+1 on That...

I second that.

Timbrado wrote:By the way's i thought brock didn't respect any fighter

Ugh. What a big, dumb, prick this guy is.

Tell ya what: You keep buying it, and I'll throw in a bridge in Brooklyn for a nominal fee...

brock whooped the hell out of mir!!! hahahahaha take that brock haters!! mir had no chance

hmong_bboy wrote:brock whooped the hell out of mir!!! hahahahaha take that brock haters!! mir had no chance

First of all i don't hate any fighter because i don't know them personally.
Second i love to see a good technical fight with a lot of skills.
And to be honest i don't see much skills on Lesnar.

If brock meets a good wrestler with great power in both hands he's gonna have a shity time in the cage for 5 rounds. Because if a 45 year old man can pin him to fench and wear him out sais enough to me.

I also love to see if brock can handle big shots to the face/body and legs.
ONE'S AGAIN!! I DON'T HATE BROCK OR ANY OTHER FIGHTER

of course Mir didn't stand a chance. he weighed probably 50 lbs less then that fat bastard at fight time.

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I don't understand how all of you people dissing Brock can say he displayed no technique or poor "MMA" technique and all of that shit. Frank Mir is a former heavyweight Champion, and he's fought some of the best fighters in UFC history and won. None of you can say Frank Mir sucks, yet, he was manhandled by Lesnar. Sure, it was alot of "forceful" technique, but remember, Lesnar was a collegiate wrestling champ with a record of 106-5 after four years of competing in college. Wrestlers use force amplified by leverage, that's the same basic principle as ju-jutsu and BJJ, it's just not as pretty. I didn't find the fight to be boring at all, you just have to be looking for the techniques at hand, and think about position and tactics when talking about Lesnar's strategy.

All in all, this was an awesome fight, a bad ass beat down, and Lesnar's the fuckin man.

Fedor vs Lesnar, PLEASE!!!!!!


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Exactly!!! I Love the comment!!!!

I can't see how all these retards are commenting on Brock's lack of Technique when Fag MIR is the one who came out with such a poor Game Plan. Mir Failed Horribly at adjusting his strategy mid-way through the fight. He threw a flying knee and landed straight on his back (just before turning over and submitting himself to Brock's Barrage of Leather Bombs!!) That is poor Technique On top of poor execution. That flying Knee didn't make it above Brock's shoulder Line!! I think that Mir thought he was going to be able to win this fight off his back (like he luckily did in the first fight) but Brock stepped up his discipline and his patience. Brock was able to pull off that technique by expanding his MMA knowledge..

It was very ignorant and stupid of Mir to think that he was safe on his back. He came into the fight planning on winning from the ground, but his only chance was actually with the stand up.. He should have noticed that mid-way throught the fight, if he was the kind of fighter that uses technique.

But i am rambling on here- you retards likely do not have an attention span large enough to finish reading a comment longer than a sentence so my point is that I called this fight from day one! The odds of Frank beating Brock were just too low..

And not that this fight could EVER happen, but for the record:

Brock could KO Fedor the exact same way.. no doubt in my mind..
And the only reason that this fight would never happen is because Fedor would never take that fight. Win or Lose - Brock would take the fight just for the money, but Fedor would never risk his reputation like that...

It is disheartening when superior BJJ skill can not overcome freakish strength and superior body positioning. Believe me, I live it every time I roll with huge guys with a wrestling/judo background.

But ultimately I think Brock will have to expand his skill set to include at least a couple of go-to submissions (surely he could slam on a hell-of-a Kimura or Americana), otherwise a worthy opponent (ie. Fedor) will be able to read a one-dimensional opponent, and prepare for him better.
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Hah.. The keyword here is SUPERIOR. Mir may have some BJJ skill, but he does not have SUPERIOR BJJ skill. The fact is that in this case, Brock's Huge size/srength advantage played more of a role than Mir's slight skill/experience advantage.

There is no sure rule for who will win in the battle of strenght Vs. skill.. A number of factors contibtue to the final decisions (execution being one of the most dominant factors) but skill does not always beat strength and strenght does not always beat skill.

And stop and imagine the intimidation factor that comes along with fighting a guy as big as brock. Lets Face it, Fank Mir is definitely no Royce Gracie!! I have been in fights before and regardless of how skilled you become - It is simply human instinct to be intimidated when you are fighting a Giant person!! Our bodies have a little natural respect for the laws of physics...

Its pretty common sense that it depends how skilled one opppnent is, and how strong the other is. And truly, how often do you see the smaller/weaker person using superior skill to defeat the bigger/stronger stronger person? Almost never..

Sorry if that is disheartening.. lol... You fuckin pussy!!!

I knew that Brock was going to win this fight but think that Mir will do better if he gets another chance. I think that Mir got a real wake-up call and he may now realize that he needs to train much harder if he wants to beat Brock.. Personally I thought that Mir looked like he was in much better shape for the NOG fight... anybody agree?

toneloc805 wrote:It is disheartening when superior BJJ skill can not overcome freakish strength and superior body positioning. Believe me, I live it every time I roll with huge guys with a wrestling/judo background.

But ultimately I think Brock will have to expand his skill set to include at least a couple of go-to submissions (surely he could slam on a hell-of-a Kimura or Americana), otherwise a worthy opponent (ie. Fedor) will be able to read a one-dimensional opponent, and prepare for him better.
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Hah.. The keyword here is SUPERIOR. Mir may have some BJJ skill, but he does not have SUPERIOR BJJ skill. The fact is that in this case, Brock's Huge size/srength advantage played more of a role than Mir's slight skill/experience advantage.

There is no sure rule for who will win in the battle of strenght Vs. skill.. A number of factors contibtue to the final decisions (execution being one of the most dominant factors) but skill does not always beat strength and strenght does not always beat skill.

And stop and imagine the intimidation factor that comes along with fighting a guy as big as brock. Lets Face it, Fank Mir is definitely no Royce Gracie!! I have been in fights before and regardless of how skilled you become - It is simply human instinct to be intimidated when you are fighting a Giant person!! Our bodies have a little natural respect for the laws of physics...

Its pretty common sense that it depends how skilled one opppnent is, and how strong the other is. And truly, how often do you see the smaller/weaker person using superior skill to defeat the bigger/stronger stronger person? Almost never..

Sorry if that is disheartening.. lol... You fuckin pussy!!!

"You fuckin' pussy!!!"

That's harsh.

I'm just contributing my thoughts and opinions to this thread.

No one who knows me, and especially no one who rolls with me, considers me a pussy. So you sure can't.

I think people can contribute their opinions to these threads without needlessly getting personal.

Even though I was impressed by the win, Brock is gonna have to learn stand-up better if he wants to keep his belt. He has great wrestling skills, and now he takes advantage of dominant positions. I'm still a Mir fan and hope he comes back to take the Championship. GSP said it, the better fighter doesn't always win the fight. Oh and by the way, I don't think Lesnar wanted to submit Mir in that fight, he wanted blood.

Timbrado wrote:

hmong_bboy wrote:brock whooped the hell out of mir!!! hahahahaha take that brock haters!! mir had no chance

First of all i don't hate any fighter because i don't know them personally.
Second i love to see a good technical fight with a lot of skills.
And to be honest i don't see much skills on Lesnar.

If brock meets a good wrestler with great power in both hands he's gonna have a shity time in the cage for 5 rounds. Because if a 45 year old man can pin him to fench and wear him out sais enough to me.

I also love to see if brock can handle big shots to the face/body and legs.
ONE'S AGAIN!! I DON'T HATE BROCK OR ANY OTHER FIGHTER

Agreed. I think he would not be able to handle big shots. Look at how he turned and ran after one good shot from Mir. Dude put his head down, ran, and did a 360. Then Mir fucked up with that silly clinch and the knee and ended up on his back.

Those freakish big dudes almost never fail to turn puss when they get hit hard. I'm tellin' y'all when he gets into the ring with someone who can strike, wrestle, and really do something on the ground y'all will see all the bitch come out of him.

toneloc805 wrote:I knew that Brock was going to win this fight but think that Mir will do better if he gets another chance. I think that Mir got a real wake-up call and he may now realize that he needs to train much harder if he wants to beat Brock.. Personally I thought that Mir looked like he was in much better shape for the NOG fight... anybody agree?

I agree he did look better.

cburcinc wrote:But ultimately I think Brock will have to expand his skill set to include at least a couple of go-to submissions (surely he could slam on a hell-of-a Kimura or Americana), otherwise a worthy opponent (ie. Fedor) will be able to read a one-dimensional opponent, and prepare for him better.

I definitely agree with this. MMA is constantly evolving, and at a very fast rate. If Brock ever did face Fedor, he'd definitely have to defend against those arm bars which Fedor uses expertly.

I do think that Brock has alot of talent and can adapt his skill set to various situations, he just hasn't had to do it yet, so, we haven't really seen much. After a few fights, someone's going to get smart and catch Brock's weakness (which is probably still submission defense) and beat him. We'll see how it all plays out.