jojoclown777 wrote:

lostinsanity wrote:complete fucking domination... I love it

I just want to know where the idiots are who said that there is "no way Mir can win"

Right here, figuring out how Mir could've laced his gloves with blinding powder that would allow him to beat Nog when Fedor couldn't.


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Do you honestly think Mir cheated to win? Fedor couldn't stop nog before because nog was at his prime and it was in pride where the refs dont stop fights as quickly. Over the years Nog has had the best chin in mma as far as im concerned but over the years that kinda thing wears thin from punishment. Nog has been in a ton of wars and has had a long career, so im not surprised that he cant take a crocop head kick and shrug it off like before. I'd have to say nog is at the end of his career now and he should probably stop soon... hes taken way too much punishment over the years and i think what really did him in as far as his chin goes is the head kick heath herring landed in minotauro's first ufc fight. Mir simply out boxed him and kept the pressure on to get the stoppage, and everyone knows including Mir that if Minotauro was at his prime the fight would've been nothing like that but everyone needs to understand that Minotauro is an old school pride fighter, hes had a long and rough career, and hes most certainly not at his prime anymore. Bottomline is Minotauro is a legend but his career is very near the end, maybe one or two more fights left in him.

PS. Minotauro should've been the champ before this loss anyways but Lesnar definitely went down on the right people to get such an opportunity so early into his career when dozens of fighters deserved the shot more.

very bad stoppage. they didnt stop the fight when brock was beating mir senseless. and i know this isnt pride but fedor had nogs head bouncing like a basketball and he was still good to keep going. yes mir was winning but nog was not out. of coarse he was wobbly when he got up. he was after herring delivered an excellent head kick but came back to win. nog always gets his ass beat but is able to take it and catch them when they least expect. i'd like to see a rematch with a better ref or herb dean on one of his better days. in a way though i'm glad mir won cause now were going to see brock destroy mir. dont get me wrong, i like mir as a fighter but i feel that nog got robbed. sorry off topic but also bad stoppage of griffin and evens. how did the ref not notice griffin was trying to tap?

Nog looked so out of shape! What's was that beer belly about? He never had it! And yes, Mir was in best shape ever.

Just watched the fight again. The stopage was definitely way way too early. I didn't see any signs that Nog is out.

In fact in many fights it seemed he was faking being almost knoked out to lure the opponent into trap. For example in Tim fight he went down many times on purpose. He is known to take punishment and win fights. Mir wasn't connecting well so there was no reason to stop the fight.

Conclusion - Nog should start training again or retire. It would be painful to see him humiliated like crocop, wandy, Shamrock, liddel, etc.

dude wtf why did herb dean stop that fucking match. did he see his fights wit fedor the ref just let them continue it. and the fight wit kongo and al turk the ref just let him mual al turk untill turk was ko'd. noguiera got up like it was nothing. bullshit decision by herb dean

I don't dispute the stoppage, maybe have a look at the end of round 2 guys, Nog would have been done there if he hadn't been saved by the bell. knocked down 3 times, not much for defending throughout the fight, Herb did the right thing. Mir was very solid in this fight, the best he has looked even when he was champ. Never would have I guessed the outcome would be this way, but it was. Good for Mir, he deserves a shot after all he's been through.

Nog simply got owned. Frank Mir is at the peak of his game and is only going to get better, hes young, athletic, and much more focused now. Nog is a man of the past. I wouldn't be surprised if Mir is able to beat Lesnar for a 2nd time, at the rate Lesnar is improving though its pretty doubtful.

just saw the fight again:

nog get's knocked down, his head is not against the floor, he's still keeping his neck up. his arms are raised trying to find a position to block mir's ground and pound.

the fight end's with the ref cutting in. nog immediatly get's his ass up. wobbly a bit, but does it alone. it's the referee and UFC officials that are quick to bring a chair in and insist he sits down to be examined.

this was an early stoppage. go back and look at it if you need to, by no means was nog light's out.

from now on UFC will always have these medics coming in REAL FAST and insisting for the loser to lay down and relax, calming him down. makes the decisions look better than having a guy waving around yelling "what the fuck?!"

If the stoppage was early, then why isn't Nog, or at least someone from his camp complaining?

Have you guys ever considered that?

lostinsanity wrote:If the stoppage was early, then why isn't Nog, or at least someone from his camp complaining?

Have you guys ever considered that?

Nog has too much class to complain about that. When it would not change the outcome, what would be the point anyways? Other than a shrug after the fight, there is no way I would make a stink about something like that either. Best you can do is request a rematch, and he knows that Mir was beating him anyways, so he probably doesn't want one. Making a stink about stuff like that just makes you look like an idiot, look at Ken Shamrock.

lostinsanity wrote:If the stoppage was early, then why isn't Nog, or at least someone from his camp complaining?

Have you guys ever considered that?

That stoppage wasn't early. He was completely out of it and admitted it in the post fight interview. People will find anything to complain about.

I dont blame them cuz Big Nog is Big Nog. But even so, Frank had created a pattern of knocking Big Nog down OVER and OVER, so I think it's only logical to assume he would've beaten Nog stupid had the fight continued.

KUDOS TO MIR. I DIDNT THINK IT WOULD BE SUCH A ONE SIDED FIGHT. IM A LITTLE DISAPOINTED!

jojoclown777 wrote:I dont blame them cuz Big Nog is Big Nog. But even so, Frank had created a pattern of knocking Big Nog down OVER and OVER, so I think it's only logical to assume he would've beaten Nog stupid had the fight continued.

Agreed, I for one never said that Noguiera would have won had the fight not been stopped. He was being dominated the entire time. That being said, he does have a history of being dominated the entire time and then winning the fight. So why not wait and see? My main problem is Herb Dean. He is one of the shittiest refs in MMA right now, and he has a long history of creating controversy via early stoppage. I don't think that he should be allowed to ref anything but prelims. Now before people start freaking out over this again, (it's beginning to seem a bit like beating a dead horse) I do not think that this was the worst stoppage ever. I just don't see what would be wrong with letting it go a few seconds longer, just to see what would happen.... Nog was obviously not KO'd, please, anyone, watch the video again, and tell me he lost consciousness so I can have a good laugh. He got right up afterwards. And no, taking three more punches would not have killed him, or made him into a fucking brain dead zombie, like some posters here would like to have everyone else believe. People get knocked out in this sport all the time, it is fucking mixed martial arts. I've never seen so many people get bent out of shape just from calling it an early stop like I see it. I don't take anything away from Mir, he looked better than ever, and dominated Nog the whole time. That really isn't the issue, though. The issue is that Herb Dean has always been a shitty ref, and for the peace of mind of the fans, betting fans, and many times, the fighters themselves, he should not be allowed to stop fights too soon.

WIDOW wrote:KUDOS TO MIR. I DIDNT THINK IT WOULD BE SUCH A ONE SIDED FIGHT. IM A LITTLE DISAPOINTED!

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