bongtokes81592 wrote:gonzaga broke his forearm with a kick, and almost knocked his ass out with the kick to the head.

The forearm kick I'll give you, but "almost knocked his ass out"? What in the hell are you talking about? That head kick didn't even phase Couture. He didn't even stumble. Gonzaga might as well have hit him with a foam hand. How could it have almost knocked him out when he took the kick without blinking and ended the fight by TKO less than 30 seconds later?? Get your facts straight...seriously.

The "headbutt" happened 2 minutes into the fight. Randy dominated him those first 2 minutes

randy did no such thing and to even try to say that a title fight is determined in the first 2 minutes is ridiculous. also, there's no reason to put headbutt in quotes, because even though it was accidental it was still a vicious headbutt. having blood pouring into the back of your sinuses 2 minutes into the fight restricts everything you do in the fight, everything. its worse than having a cut over both eyes gushing blood into the eyes, because you're constantly out of oxygen. gonzaga would have beat couture.

biffwhapslam wrote:

The "headbutt" happened 2 minutes into the fight. Randy dominated him those first 2 minutes

randy did no such thing and to even try to say that a title fight is determined in the first 2 minutes is ridiculous. also, there's no reason to put headbutt in quotes, because even though it was accidental it was still a vicious headbutt. having blood pouring into the back of your sinuses 2 minutes into the fight restricts everything you do in the fight, everything. its worse than having a cut over both eyes gushing blood into the eyes, because you're constantly out of oxygen. gonzaga would have beat couture.

I never said the fight was determined in the first two minutes. My point was that Randy dominated before and after the "headbutt". Point out one thing Gonzaga did at any point in the fight that was remotely effective against Couture. Go ahead, try it. I've watched that fight a dozen times and Gonzaga didn't do SHIT. And it is necessary to put it in quotes because it cannot be classified as a headbutt unless your just trying to be painfully technical. It wasn't simply "unintentional", it just so happened that Randy's head hit Gonzaga's face as he took Gonzaga down. Your splitting hairs to defend it as a headbutt. What Wanderlei Silva did to some opponents in Pride where what you could call "vicious headbutts". What happened to Gonzaga was an unfortunate exclamation mark on a hard take down. The fact is this: broken nose or not, blood or not, Gonzaga lost the fight, and lost it badly. Couture didn't simply survive the fight because Gonzaga got hurt by accident. He hurt Gonzaga constantly and finished him definitively. If you think otherwise, you need to watch the fight a few more times. Gabriel Gonzaga not only would not have, but could not have beaten Randy Couture that night, if ever.

My point was that Randy dominated before and after the "headbutt"

why do you bother counting anything that happened after the injury gonzaga sustained from the headbutt? gonzaga simply could not have put out his best efforts when he's got blood draining into his sinuses. this is the second time i've said this and you keep trying to swing around this point. let me make it easier for you to understand: a head smashing into someone else's face is considered an illegal move because of the severe debilitating injuries it could cause. couture did not intentionally do it, but the move itself ended the fight.

biffwhapslam wrote:

My point was that Randy dominated before and after the "headbutt"

why do you bother counting anything that happened after the injury gonzaga sustained from the headbutt? gonzaga simply could not have put out his best efforts when he's got blood draining into his sinuses. this is the second time i've said this and you keep trying to swing around this point. let me make it easier for you to understand: a head smashing into someone else's face is considered an illegal move because of the severe debilitating injuries it could cause. couture did not intentionally do it, but the move itself ended the fight.

Because it was a official figth is suposse to count.... It wasn't a headbutt cause it wan't intentional¬¬ can u understand that pal=? and of course if make it easy for randy but shit happends he must recover and figth another day

Well as V2 say Gonzaga just got owned by Randy just take it as it is just like i take crocop isn't what he was before

Att.Checo

It wasn't a headbutt cause it wan't intentional¬¬ can u understand that pal=?

one head smashing into somebody else's head is a headbutt, whether it is intentional or not. and again, that headbutt is what ended the fight. unless couture gets some lucky smash hit like that on lesnar, he will not beat him because greco-roman shit is not enough to take a pro wrestler of lesnar's size. and randy's submission skills are sub-par.

biffwhapslam wrote:

It wasn't a headbutt cause it wan't intentional¬¬ can u understand that pal=?

one head smashing into somebody else's head is a headbutt, whether it is intentional or not. and again, that headbutt is what ended the fight. unless couture gets some lucky smash hit like that on lesnar, he will not beat him because greco-roman shit is not enough to take a pro wrestler of lesnar's size. and randy's submission skills are sub-par.

If that is what ended the fight, then Gonzaga is a pussy, plain and simple. In PrideFC, headbutts where perfectly legal, and you saw fighters use them more than once (case to point, Wanderlei Silva). Getting a headbutt is no different than getting punched or kicked in the face. That's part of professional fighting. If fighters are going to be whiny little baby bitches over every little thing that hurts them, they don't need to be in a cage. That's like saying "ooh, Randy got a lucky elbow in and because it hurt poor little Gonzaga, it was an unfair fight". What a bunch of crap. If Gonzaga was so great and could have dismantled Couture like you claim, he wouldn't have let Couture hurt him that bad in the first place.

Ok, ok this thread has been de-railed.

I think that Couture is going to be overwhelmed by the sheer size and strength of Lesnar. Lesnar is easily the strongest fighter in the UFC right now but still moves fast because of his wrestling ability.

Brock isn't just a "rastler" either. His collegiate wrestling record is INSANELY good. Unlike Kimbo, Brock can go to the ground and still have a shot, so comparing Kimbo "The Skilless" Slice to Brock is a silly because Brock would take him, break him, and sprinkle him over his wheaties.

Couture, as everyone knows, is an excellent fighter and an MMA legend. Unfortunately, the man is just too old now. I thought for sure he would have had problems with Sylvia because of his age but I was proven wrong there. But Sylvia isn't as fast, as strong, or as good on the ground as Lesnar.

I think this will go the distance because of Brock's LnP and inability to finish a fight. If it ends early, it will be Couture by submission or KO, or Brock will throw a wild punch that connects and KO's Couture.

Honestly I think the fight is stupid and shouldn't be happening no matter how badass it is because no one deserves a title after 4 fights.

bubbyj07 wrote:Ok, ok this thread has been de-railed.

I think that Couture is going to be overwhelmed by the sheer size and strength of Lesnar. Lesnar is easily the strongest fighter in the UFC right now but still moves fast because of his wrestling ability.

agreed. watch what Ricco rodriguez and josh barnett did to him a while ago, i dont think he can deal with stronger fighters. brock also has more muscle mass than both rico and josh combined, so i see randy getting dominated for 5 straight rounds, unless of course he comes up with one of his patented hail-mary gameplans.



also i wouldnt call gonzaga a "strong" fighter, because he has piss-poor wrestling, id rather call him a powerful striker with some mean jujitsu. also randy fucked his composure by breaking his nose, eliminating any chance of pulling off a submission.

Size and strength doesn't always determine ground domination. Unfortunately in this case, it probably will since both fighters are wrestlers. Still, I don't think Randy will just get manhandled on the ground. He has a lot more experience than Lesner and a very impressive wrestling background of his own. I'll say it again though, Randy needs to keep this fight standing. He has considerable stand up skills, especially his punches, and Brock hasn't shown a great deal of stand up strength. He has power on his feet for sure, but I guarantee Randy can outbox him. The conditioning factor is also going to be interesting to watch, because both fighters have an incredible training regime and both have insane cardio. I almost have to give the edge to Brock because he's so much younger, but who knows? I think one important thing to bear in mind is this: Underestimating Randy Couture usually leads to him proving the naysayers wrong...

bongtokes81592 wrote:agreed. watch what Ricco rodriguez and josh barnett did to him a while ago, i dont think he can deal with stronger fighters.

No way, brah. Sylvia is almost the same weight as Lesnar (according to Wikipedia). Randy has too many heavyweight friends to train with, too. Captain America is going to smash this assclown. - cue the Thundercats Liono yell.

I want to see brock lesnar punish couture with his punches !!!
haha... next world title fight: lesnar vs fedor

I think Brock is very bad matchup for Randy. Randy's main strenght is when he overpowers his opponent and he can't do that to Brock. I want Randy to win but I think Brock will dominate the whole fight and will win decision or even TKO Randy.

Then Nog gona beat Mir and will have the best shot in beating Brock. He was always good in submitting big guys...

War Nog!!!

jojoclown777 wrote:No way, brah. Sylvia is almost the same weight as Lesnar (according to Wikipedia).

dude are you retarded or something? brock is like all muscle and tim is a flabby hillbilly with shitty ground defense. brock would maul sylvia