A-ROCC wrote:

daking03 wrote:apparently Machida drinks his own urine every morning.



On topic - Machida will win it

yeah iknow, his whole fucking family does. really gross but hes still gonna win and then piss on rashads face then lick it off.

There is a book..........it's called the "water of life" drinking your urine is meant to be excellent for you.........it is known to cure many uncureable diseases..........You gotta be sick to drink your own urine.....lol!

I still think Machida has this. I know Rashad has got some good boxing but that doesn't matter if you can't hit your opponent.

Machida is good everywhere, from what I have seen he doesn't really have a weakness to be honest.

As far as Rashad taking Machida down, look what happened with Machida against Tito. A guy that seemed to out wrestle everyone that he faced, was made to look almost useless as Machida did his thing.

I just hope Machida is more engaging like he was in his last fight against silva. I don't think Machida is boring mind, quite the opposite but everyone likes a good brawl.

Rashad Evan's literally dropped to his knees and thanked god he survived Tito Ortiz.

Lyoto Machida threw Tito Ortiz around and made him his bitch for 15 minutes and caused Tito to go running away from UFC in tears.

LYOTO MACHIDA FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BlackDragon666 wrote:Rashad Evan's literally dropped to his knees and thanked god he survived Tito Ortiz.

Lyoto Machida threw Tito Ortiz around and made him his bitch for 15 minutes and caused Tito to go running away from UFC in tears.

LYOTO MACHIDA FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol @ Tito Ortiz being a measuring stick for fighter skill

emjay wrote:

BlackDragon666 wrote:Rashad Evan's literally dropped to his knees and thanked god he survived Tito Ortiz.

Lyoto Machida threw Tito Ortiz around and made him his bitch for 15 minutes and caused Tito to go running away from UFC in tears.

LYOTO MACHIDA FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol @ Tito Ortiz being a measuring stick for fighter skill

He is hardly the measuring stick, but since both fighters have had to face him, he's an obvious choice for a comparison. You probably didn't watch those fights, so I'll excuse your ignorance.

The point is that Tito Ortiz, whatever you may think of him, tooled Rashad Evans. Rashad literally survived that fight, and only because Tito lost a point. Ortiz would have beaten Rashad where it not for that dude.

Machida, on the other hand, made Ortiz look like his personal bitch. He tossed him around for 3 rounds and made it look easy. There was no doubt who the superior fighter was that night.

Tito fought them both back to back, which means his skills where the same when he fought them both. Do the easy math if you can:

Rashad Evans = Survived Ortiz and barely avoided a loss.

Lyoto Machida = Obliterated Ortiz like he was fighting a child.

BlackDragon666 wrote:

emjay wrote:

BlackDragon666 wrote:Rashad Evan's literally dropped to his knees and thanked god he survived Tito Ortiz.

Lyoto Machida threw Tito Ortiz around and made him his bitch for 15 minutes and caused Tito to go running away from UFC in tears.

LYOTO MACHIDA FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol @ Tito Ortiz being a measuring stick for fighter skill

He is hardly the measuring stick, but since both fighters have had to face him, he's an obvious choice for a comparison. You probably didn't watch those fights, so I'll excuse your ignorance.

The point is that Tito Ortiz, whatever you may think of him, tooled Rashad Evans. Rashad literally survived that fight, and only because Tito lost a point. Ortiz would have beaten Rashad where it not for that dude.

Machida, on the other hand, made Ortiz look like his personal bitch. He tossed him around for 3 rounds and made it look easy. There was no doubt who the superior fighter was that night.

Tito fought them both back to back, which means his skills where the same when he fought them both. Do the easy math if you can:

Rashad Evans = Survived Ortiz and barely avoided a loss.

Lyoto Machida = Obliterated Ortiz like he was fighting a child.

Totally agree with that.

BlackDragon666 wrote:He is hardly the measuring stick, but since both fighters have had to face him, he's an obvious choice for a comparison. You probably didn't watch those fights, so I'll excuse your ignorance.

The point is that Tito Ortiz, whatever you may think of him, tooled Rashad Evans. Rashad literally survived that fight, and only because Tito lost a point. Ortiz would have beaten Rashad where it not for that dude.

Machida, on the other hand, made Ortiz look like his personal bitch. He tossed him around for 3 rounds and made it look easy. There was no doubt who the superior fighter was that night.

Tito fought them both back to back, which means his skills where the same when he fought them both. Do the easy math if you can:

Rashad Evans = Survived Ortiz and barely avoided a loss.

Lyoto Machida = Obliterated Ortiz like he was fighting a child.

It's silly to try to compare fighters based on what they did against a common opponent because styles make fights and ... IT'S A FIGHT and anything can happen. Matt Serra beat GSP, remember?

I saw both fights. With all of the "just becauses" about Tito grabbing the fence, what about the "what if" Tito didn't grab the fence and Rashad got him down? There's a reason Tito grabbed the fence ... so not to go down The entire fight is different (in whose favor? who knows) if Tito doesn't grab the fence.

By your logic, Rashad Evans has more power in his right hand than Rampage. They both caught Chuck with a right, but Evans put Chuck completely to sleep while Rampage's shot only knocked Chuck down.

poor chuck.
"so and so knocked him out harder than so and so."

emjay wrote:

BlackDragon666 wrote:He is hardly the measuring stick, but since both fighters have had to face him, he's an obvious choice for a comparison. You probably didn't watch those fights, so I'll excuse your ignorance.

The point is that Tito Ortiz, whatever you may think of him, tooled Rashad Evans. Rashad literally survived that fight, and only because Tito lost a point. Ortiz would have beaten Rashad where it not for that dude.

Machida, on the other hand, made Ortiz look like his personal bitch. He tossed him around for 3 rounds and made it look easy. There was no doubt who the superior fighter was that night.

Tito fought them both back to back, which means his skills where the same when he fought them both. Do the easy math if you can:

Rashad Evans = Survived Ortiz and barely avoided a loss.

Lyoto Machida = Obliterated Ortiz like he was fighting a child.

It's silly to try to compare fighters based on what they did against a common opponent because styles make fights and ... IT'S A FIGHT and anything can happen. Matt Serra beat GSP, remember?

I saw both fights. With all of the "just becauses" about Tito grabbing the fence, what about the "what if" Tito didn't grab the fence and Rashad got him down? There's a reason Tito grabbed the fence ... so not to go down The entire fight is different (in whose favor? who knows) if Tito doesn't grab the fence.

By your logic, Rashad Evans has more power in his right hand than Rampage. They both caught Chuck with a right, but Evans put Chuck completely to sleep while Rampage's shot only knocked Chuck down.

Thats a crazy thing to speculate Rashas's only knocked Salmon and Liddel out whilst Rampage has knocked out tonnes of guys in pride including topline guys like Arona, Randleman, Liddel, Silva and soon to be next on the list Rashad.
I Honnestly cant see Rashad controlling the fight anywhere i think Lyoto is just gonna consume the guy and tear his black ass up with the Dragon Claws feel it see it know it Rashad u gonna get knock Clean out! Cold Baby haha

BlackDragon666 wrote:Rashad Evan's literally dropped to his knees and thanked god he survived Tito Ortiz.

No. Watch his face before he drops to his knees, he couldn't believe the fight was a draw. Had nothing to do with whether he survived Tito Ortiz or not.

I'm not a fan nor a hater of Rashad (or Lyoto for that matter), but man, some of you guys are soooooooooooooo biased it makes you say shit that doesn't make ANY sense.

SamuraiX wrote:Thats a crazy thing to speculate ...

What? The 'what if' Tito doesn't grab the fence?

If that's what you're talking about, it makes more sense than saying, 'Fighter A did this to Fighter B but Fighter C could only do that to Fighter B so Fighter A is going to beat Fighter C'

People tend to forget to take a fighter's career progression (and where they currently are in that progression) into account when comparing fights. They let that inner fan boy overtake logic and that makes them say stupid shit

No disrespect but I dont see how these many different predictions can be made on these fighters, since both are undefeated in the octagon. But i guess the point its to create the hype. anyway I respect both fighters and didnt wanna see this two go at it this soon but I think they match up pretty well to each other's style and so I think the first one to make a mistake is gong home with a big ass "L" maybe a draw.

emjay wrote:It's silly to try to compare fighters based on what they did against a common opponent because styles make fights and ... IT'S A FIGHT and anything can happen. Matt Serra beat GSP, remember?

Bad comparison. Comparing Rashad and Lyoto based on the Tito fight is reasonably accurate because they both had to fight the same guy back to back. How they preformed against Tito gives a good idea as to how they would preform against each other. Lyoto did MUCH better than Rashad in his fight with Ortiz. Simple (at least for most of us). Sure, anything can happen in a fight, but I can pull up the records of both if you'd like and you'll find that Lyoto's undefeated run is far more impressive. He has no split decisions or close fights. Rashad has 4 split/majority decisions and a draw. Use your head.

emjay wrote:I saw both fights. With all of the "just becauses" about Tito grabbing the fence, what about the "what if" Tito didn't grab the fence and Rashad got him down? There's a reason Tito grabbed the fence ... so not to go down The entire fight is different (in whose favor? who knows) if Tito doesn't grab the fence.

Again, bad logic. Yes, Titio grabbed the fence to keep from going down. He was also winning the fight. The point Tito lost from the fence grab is what allowed Rashad to continue his undefeated streak. Rashad proved he couldn't finish Tito on the ground, so I doubt it would have mattered at all even if he had gotten that take down.

emjay wrote:By your logic, Rashad Evans has more power in his right hand than Rampage. They both caught Chuck with a right, but Evans put Chuck completely to sleep while Rampage's shot only knocked Chuck down.

One, that doesn't make any sense, because I'm comparing the fight performance of two guys who fought the same opponent back to back. Its not a comparison of the power or even just the end result.

Two, I'll try to make this easy for you: They both caught Chuck with a right hook. The placement of the hook was very different though. Rampage's shot was very wide and barely clipped Chuck. Rashad's, on the other hand, was close in and caught Chuck flush, full on in the side of the jaw while Chuck's head was moving forward. Whether or not Rashad can punch harder is not the point. His punch landed better and the momentum was far greater. The "power of his right arm" was moot at that point. If Rampage had caught Chuch that full on, Chuck would...actually, just watch Rampage/Wanderlei III to get an idea

emjay wrote:No. Watch his face before he drops to his knees, he couldn't believe the fight was a draw. Had nothing to do with whether he survived Tito Ortiz or not.

That doesn't make any fucking sense at all.

"He couldn't believe it was a draw. It had nothing to do with him surviving."

Holy fucking contradiction. Do you even read what you post?

Rashad thanked god and dropped to his knees because he thought he had lost the fight. Thats why he was so surprised and happy that it was a draw. Jesus.

machida will fuck rashad up