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Postby emjay » 12. May 2009, 06:37

BlackDragon666 wrote:Bad comparison. Comparing Rashad and Lyoto based on the Tito fight is reasonably accurate because they both had to fight the same guy back to back. How they preformed against Tito gives a good idea as to how they would preform against each other. Lyoto did MUCH better than Rashad in his fight with Ortiz. Simple (at least for most of us). Sure, anything can happen in a fight, but I can pull up the records of both if you'd like and you'll find that Lyoto's undefeated run is far more impressive. He has no split decisions or close fights. Rashad has 4 split/majority decisions and a draw. Use your head.


It's a perfect comparison considering my point, which was ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN A FIGHT. Go back and watch after the knock out in the Rashad / Chuck fight. Watch Rampage and Florian's mouths WIDE OPEN in astonishment. They didn't (in their wildest dreams) think that was going to happen.

A common opponent means nothing because ultimately, Rashad and Lyoto have to fight each other. This unique encounter presents a new set of variables that couldn't be present in each of their fights against Tito. Example: How Evans deals with Machida's straight left counter will be different than how Tito dealt with it because they are different fighters. This is a different time, they both are growing, Evans has more film on Machida and vice versa, etc...

Oh and anybody can go to Sherdog and check the records, you're not special.

BlackDragon666 wrote:Again, bad logic. Yes, Titio grabbed the fence to keep from going down. He was also winning the fight. The point Tito lost from the fence grab is what allowed Rashad to continue his undefeated streak. Rashad proved he couldn't finish Tito on the ground, so I doubt it would have mattered at all even if he had gotten that take down.


It's great logic. There was a reason Tito didn't want to go down at that particular time in the fight. So he grabbed the fence. Tito may have been ahead, but the fact that he resisted going down by grabbing the fence says that he wasn't exactly comfortable with how Rashad was going to take him down at that particular time.

BlackDragon666 wrote:One, that doesn't make any sense, because I'm comparing the fight performance of two guys who fought the same opponent back to back. Its not a comparison of the power or even just the end result.

Two, I'll try to make this easy for you: They both caught Chuck with a right hook. The placement of the hook was very different though. Rampage's shot was very wide and barely clipped Chuck. Rashad's, on the other hand, was close in and caught Chuck flush, full on in the side of the jaw while Chuck's head was moving forward. Whether or not Rashad can punch harder is not the point. His punch landed better and the momentum was far greater. The "power of his right arm" was moot at that point. If Rampage had caught Chuch that full on, Chuck would...actually, just watch Rampage/Wanderlei III to get an idea :roll:


I was illustrating how silly YOUR logic is with my Evans/Rampage comparison.


BlackDragon666 wrote:That doesn't make any fucking sense at all.

"He couldn't believe it was a draw. It had nothing to do with him surviving."

Holy fucking contradiction. Do you even read what you post?

Rashad thanked god and dropped to his knees because he thought he had lost the fight. Thats why he was so surprised and happy that it was a draw. Jesus.


Rashad thought he won the fight, when he heard that it was a draw, you see disappointment on his face, (he had a look like "WTF?") then he collapses in dissatisfaction or fatigue or somethin :wink: ... Tito didn't do too much in that fight either, so it's not like they were in some epic war or somethin. Nobody had to worry about "surviving" as you put it.
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Postby maistito » 14. May 2009, 17:21

I respect Rashad as a fighter. He's also undefeated, very quick and obviously got the "one punch KO power". BUT, Machida has been fighting since he was a freaking 5 years old. In fact, I have never seen such an impressive record. Not only 'cause he's undefeated but 'cause he has been fighting known guys since his debut in MMA. 2nd fight: Stephan Bonnar, 3rd: Rich Franklin, 6th: Penn (BJ weighted 187 lb). And he has always the perfect gameplan! Who ever saw Machida bleeding???

Machida by UD

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Postby emjay » 14. May 2009, 18:59

maistito wrote:BUT, Machida has been fighting since he was a freaking 5 years old.


This is why I'm leaning towards Machida. He has to be so comfortable in that style because he's been doing it for so long. Unless Rashad can show him something that he hasn't seen before, he should outclass him. Not taking anything away from Evans, it's just that Machida has a lot of experience and repetition on his side.

Now, IF Evans can find a way to bait Machida into countering (and missing) then use his boxing to counter Machida's counters (which I can see him doing because of his style), then I can see him doing some damage. The thing with Machida is that when he strikes, he always leaps straight forward. I can see someone eventually figuring this out and using their reflexes to side step his attacks then get off their own.
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Postby Just Like Music » 14. May 2009, 19:50

Been waiting forever for Lyoto's Title Shot. This is way over due...



WAR MACHIDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby mistavengeance » 15. May 2009, 04:18

maistito wrote:I didn't know about this drinking urine stuff though lol


Mahatmas Gandhi did it.


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Postby Luigi » 15. May 2009, 06:36

L_Santana wrote:
Admin wrote:how will end this?


They will allow Machida to bring his bike into the ring, and we'll all watch him ride it for 5 rounds. The only 2 outcomes I see would be Machida by decision or Evans by TKO.

Evans likes to counter punch, but thankfully he has a great wrestling background, which he'll probably start using about round 3 (after a 10 mins sleeper, rounds 1&2 ) to try and get some points on the judges score cards.


I disagree
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Postby Luigi » 15. May 2009, 07:54

I want Lyoto Machida to win, however, I don't underestimate Rashad because rashad has such amazing punching power, it can go either way, by far the most exciting fight of the year
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Postby Raunwynn » 16. May 2009, 09:24

Luigi wrote:I want Lyoto Machida to win, however, I don't underestimate Rashad because rashad has such amazing punching power, it can go either way, by far the most exciting fight of the year



these are my thoughts as well.
i cant wait for the 23rd!


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Postby jason.uk.mma » 16. May 2009, 11:58

i cant wait for this one rashad almost finished my hero chuck so dying to see him on his ass lol
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Postby daviddalo » 17. May 2009, 01:06

after watching several machida fights again... i have to say, hes the fucking bomb!! i was underestimating him before, but he is one hell of a skilled fighter, i really would love to see rampage vs evans, but machida deserves the title just as much
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Postby M "Aorisho" R » 18. May 2009, 08:39

Admin wrote:how will end this?


Machida by Super Flying Huricane Magic Punch. 5 minutes into round 1.
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Postby brenton777 » 18. May 2009, 21:23

...thing, I have not called a wrong fight in over 2years and 3 months and 1 days....

Machida will take it. (Bow)
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Postby The Black Dragon » 18. May 2009, 22:45

emjay wrote:Rashad thought he won the fight, when he heard that it was a draw, you see disappointment on his face, (he had a look like "WTF?") then he collapses in dissatisfaction or fatigue or somethin :wink: ... Tito didn't do too much in that fight either, so it's not like they were in some epic war or somethin. Nobody had to worry about "surviving" as you put it.


I didn't even bother to quote the rest of your response because its stupid and makes no sense. You're like arguing with a rock (and a dumb one at that).

I did however want to make this part perfectly clear for you: Rashad Evans S.U.R.V.I.V.E.D. his fight with Tito. How the fuck do you figure that he thought he won??? The only one who was disappointed after the fight was Titio because he thought he won. Read this carefully if you can: The only reason the fight was a draw is because Tito Ortiz LOST a point. Clear enough for you? If he hand't lost the point for grabbing the fence, he would have WON THE FIGHT. Not Rashad, TITO.

By the way, watch the fight again you tool: Rashad collapses to his knees and smiles at the camera. He was happy he didn't get a loss you fucking moron.
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Postby emjay » 18. May 2009, 23:12

BlackDragon666 wrote:
emjay wrote:Rashad thought he won the fight, when he heard that it was a draw, you see disappointment on his face, (he had a look like "WTF?") then he collapses in dissatisfaction or fatigue or somethin :wink: ... Tito didn't do too much in that fight either, so it's not like they were in some epic war or somethin. Nobody had to worry about "surviving" as you put it.


I didn't even bother to quote the rest of your response because its stupid and makes no sense. You're like arguing with a rock (and a dumb one at that).

I did however want to make this part perfectly clear for you: Rashad Evans S.U.R.V.I.V.E.D. his fight with Tito. How the fuck do you figure that he thought he won??? The only one who was disappointed after the fight was Titio because he thought he won. Read this carefully if you can: The only reason the fight was a draw is because Tito Ortiz LOST a point. Clear enough for you? If he hand't lost the point for grabbing the fence, he would have WON THE FIGHT. Not Rashad, TITO.

By the way, watch the fight again you tool: Rashad collapses to his knees and smiles at the camera. He was happy he didn't get a loss you fucking moron.


Gotta love the anonymity of the internet :wink:


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