Hey, he has an excellent jaw, I am trying to find a taped fight I had with him when he did a japan tour, if i find it i'll try to figure out how to get it posted

I was assuming KO by a Ryu-stlye Dragon Punch in the first 5 seconds of the 1st round.

Go Machida, HAADOOKIN!

I have to agree w/ BD666 on this one....watch the fight again

brenton777 wrote:I have to agree w/ BD666 on this one....watch the fight again

Sure, "The only reason the fight was a draw is because Tito Ortiz LOST a point." - I'll give you that, but the problem with saying that is that there is an assumption that Tito would have won the fight had he not lost that point. When you make that assumption, you then have to take away the fact that Tito grabbed the fence to keep from going down which would have completely changed the fight from that point on.

If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell ya

I think Machida will take him by TKO in the 3rd round.I anticipate a great fight eaither way though!

If machida wins it will be by descision
If rashad wins it will be by knock the fuck out or ground and pound.

emjay wrote:

brenton777 wrote:I have to agree w/ BD666 on this one....watch the fight again

Sure, "The only reason the fight was a draw is because Tito Ortiz LOST a point." - I'll give you that, but the problem with saying that is that there is an assumption that Tito would have won the fight had he not lost that point. When you make that assumption, you then have to take away the fact that Tito grabbed the fence to keep from going down which would have completely changed the fight from that point on.

If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell ya

This is one of the basic mistakes I've been seeing people make in analyzing the Evans-Machida fight. Based on Evans' fight with Ortiz, they say his wrestling is weaker than Machida's because he couldn't take Ortiz down. However, as emjay points out, he couldn't take Tito down because he was grabbing the fence! That's why that shit is illegal! Furthermore, Evans DID take Ortiz down in the 3rd round!

Do NOT be surprised if Evans gets on top of Machida.

in order to punch Machida, Evans will have to get closer.. and it is how machida is gonna win.. he can hit quicker and step away instantly afterwards, evans cant reach him.. seriously I cant see evans winning machida. Machida will null his punches, he knows how to do that, and everything Evans has is punching. That´s it.

Machida vs Rampage will be a better fight.

Machida vs Evans!!! Brain vs Power !!! Machida by Decision!!!

machida all the way

emjay wrote:

brenton777 wrote:I have to agree w/ BD666 on this one....watch the fight again

Sure, "The only reason the fight was a draw is because Tito Ortiz LOST a point." - I'll give you that, but the problem with saying that is that there is an assumption that Tito would have won the fight had he not lost that point. When you make that assumption, you then have to take away the fact that Tito grabbed the fence to keep from going down which would have completely changed the fight from that point on.

If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell ya

Let me make this simple for you:

Tito lost a point for grabbing the fence (one time). Because of that, the fight was a draw. That means that had he not grabbed the fence, the point would have not been taken, and Tito would have won.

Now, if your suggesting that if Tito hadn't grabbed the fence and Rashad had taken him down which would have gotten Rashad more points, then I don't disagree with that. But its an assumption at best. Rashad might have scored enough with that takedown to win, he might not have. Its a moot point. The fact is that the loss of 1 point was the difference between Tito winning and Rashad losing.

mistavengeance wrote:This is one of the basic mistakes I've been seeing people make in analyzing the Evans-Machida fight. Based on Evans' fight with Ortiz, they say his wrestling is weaker than Machida's because he couldn't take Ortiz down. However, as emjay points out, he couldn't take Tito down because he was grabbing the fence! That's why that shit is illegal! Furthermore, Evans DID take Ortiz down in the 3rd round!

Do NOT be surprised if Evans gets on top of Machida.

Thats not what I base it on mostly actually. The fact that Rashad could only take Tito down ONE time (Tito grabbed the fence once to stop a takedown. That doesn't negate all the other attempts Rashad had) at the end of the fight. Machida, on the other hand, took Tito down repeatedly and effortlessly. He threw the man around like a rag doll and gave him the definition of a 10-8 round 3 times. Rashad looked like shit in his fight with Tito, and thats why he almost lost. Just like he barely survived Bisping.

I'll be very surprised if Rashad does anything in this fight other than dance around and avoid Machida. That being said, I fear Machida might try the same tactic...this might, in reality, come down to which one of them is going to take a chance and engage.

machida has never lost a round

BlackDragon666 wrote:Let me make this simple for you:

Tito lost a point for grabbing the fence (one time). Because of that, the fight was a draw. That means that had he not grabbed the fence, the point would have not been taken, and Tito would have won.

Watch the fight again...

Tito grabbed the fence on two separate occasions (not to mention Rashad's shorts). Once around the 2:22 mark in the 2nd round for which he was warned (this prevented a Rashad takedown). And again later in the round (which cost him the point) before Rashad got him down.

BlackDragon666 wrote:Now, if your suggesting that if Tito hadn't grabbed the fence and Rashad had taken him down which would have gotten Rashad more points, then I don't disagree with that. But its an assumption at best. Rashad might have scored enough with that takedown to win, he might not have. Its a moot point. The fact is that the loss of 1 point was the difference between Tito winning and Rashad losing.

Again, that's obvious. It's also not the only argument people are making. People try to make it seem like Rashad COULDN'T have won the fight even if Tito had not grabbed the fence (twice). That's what people are missing and I don't have to call you out of your name to express that. Tito broke the rules TWICE (3 times if you count the shorts grab) and was penalized for it. But I guess to him, it was better to lose a point than be GnP'd in the 2nd round by a TUF contestant.

What I'm saying doesn't have anything to do with points. If Tito doesn't grab the fence at the 2:22 mark, and Evans gets him down, anything could have happened (either way) and there was plenty of time for it to happen.

it's gonna be a great fight. Evans by KO rd 3